Saturday, June 10, 2006

What We Know About the Equation.

This is great, everyone. I see there is definitely an interest in getting to the bottom of this.

Please use this Post as the "What we know about the equation." folder.


Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

I'll start:

Alvar Hanso is believed to be the only person with an actual copy of the Valenzetti Equation (the actual equation handwritten by Valenzetti).

6/10/2006 10:53 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

ive already posted all this in the other blog but since this is the "what we know already" blog ill put it all in here in one comment...
this is a pdf file with information on the equation

Enzo Valenzetti studied at Fibonacci State Institute of Advanced Sciences

Enzo Valenzetti died in a plane crash...
just like Gary Troup

the valenzetti equation is alot like the drake equation this is the wiki article for it

6/10/2006 11:11 AM  
Blogger maven said...

After the Cuban Missile Crisis, the UN Security Council commissioned an equation to predict Armagedon. Valenzetti presented his equation a year later. No particular year was mentioned, but the Cuban Missile Crisis was 1962.

6/10/2006 11:43 AM  
Blogger TEAM Lena said...

Hey matt! I just got online and my hubby brought this to my attention! I must say...good work!


6/10/2006 1:19 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

lena -- Thanks, but Vex deserves the credit here!

6/10/2006 1:39 PM  
Blogger The Boob Lady said...

Glad to see others are actually searching for answers to the whereabouts of the Valenzetti Equation. I have searched high and low in my part of the world and thus far nothing has turned up. Will keep hunting things down. Good work folks!

6/10/2006 2:09 PM  
Blogger The Boob Lady said...

Sorry, I'm originally "J" on the ITE page...

6/10/2006 2:09 PM  
Anonymous mmaldo said...

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6/10/2006 3:28 PM  
Blogger Mort_Cinder said...

i was just thinking about this, may be helpful.

i wonder how Gary Troup had so much info about the VE, enough to write a book about it, when no one else in the world does.

maybe he has inside information from the hanso foundation itself? it would make sense if this was the case.

6/10/2006 3:33 PM  
Blogger mmaldo said...

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6/10/2006 3:41 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

mmaldo... Sorry, I had to delete your post.

It wasn't related to the search for the Valenzetti equation and dealt more with something that this blog isn't about.


6/10/2006 3:42 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Surely someone out there on the great big internet was able to read Troup's "The Valenzetti Equation" before The Hanso Foundation bought them all up?

No one?

6/10/2006 4:33 PM  
Anonymous mmaldo said...

Don't know if this is new, but perhaps Valenzetti equation means, from a strict Italian translation, "little valence" equation, as in quark physics, etc.

On P's page, if you select and paste to wordpad, the message is now: Gell-Mann-Nishijima mass formula.

Gell-Mann-Nashijima mass formula relates to a valence/quark in some way. I'm not real knowledgeable in this sort of math. But on Wikipedia it talks about he Gell-mann-Nashijima as an older theory.

6/10/2006 7:18 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

mmaldo, P's page says what?

6/10/2006 7:52 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

mmaldo, sorry but I don't see that anywhere on P's page.

6/10/2006 9:46 PM  
Blogger katamarmom said...

Matt the Pale - were you on ItE at around 7:00 tonight? I swear I saw another thread from Speaker about how Troup didn't write a book, but now it's not there and when I asked about it just now they said it never was. I know I'm a little tipsy now, but I wasn't earlier when I saw this.

6/10/2006 9:54 PM  
Blogger katamarmom said...

I know that my question doesn't fit cleanly into this blog, but I was struck by the intent of Speaker and didn't have time to follow up on it. PLEASE, I hadn't had anything to drink at the time. Someone had to read what I read.

6/10/2006 9:58 PM  
Blogger brammers said...

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6/11/2006 4:59 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

katamarmom -- No, sorry, I don't know anything about it.

brammers -- Please don't post off-topic stuff here. This is a blog for forcing the Hanso Foundation to give up Valenzetti-related materials.

6/11/2006 2:46 PM  
Anonymous Terminalskeptik said...

Does anyone want to talk about the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 in response to the Valenzetti Equation? I think we already know what it is.

6/12/2006 6:13 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

terminalskeptik, email your theory and I'll see if it should be it's own topic on the main page.


6/12/2006 6:31 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Matt...Fantastic site....keep it up!! Not sur eI can follow 2 blogs at once....LOL!!!

6/12/2006 6:32 AM  
Blogger Thrasher76 said...

Vex, sorry did not mean to leave you out on the kudos!!!!

Peace & Namaste!

6/12/2006 6:32 AM  
Blogger losterika said...

No author can write a book such as The Valenzetti Equation without putting hours and even years of research time. Surely there exist out there numerous people who he would have discussed his work with, who would have evidence and knowledge of his sources and resources. Where are they? Why are they so quiet?

6/12/2006 6:33 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Very good questions, losterika.

thrasher, thanks... and please do try to keep up on two blogs.

6/12/2006 6:35 AM  
Blogger Leighsa said...

I find it interesting that ever since hearing about the valenzetti equation I can't get the fibonacci sequence and the golden ratio out of my head however the only number that matches is 8.

Nice Job on this blog vex and matt. :)

6/13/2006 9:30 PM  
Blogger harcar2001 said...

Was Douglas Adams on the right track with 42?

6/15/2006 1:11 PM  
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6/15/2006 1:11 PM  
Blogger Callie said...

I just wanted to post my theory on The Valenzetti Equation... Alright, well, The Valenzetti Equation is basically when the world will end, right? And The Hanso Foundation has the only copies, as far as we know. So my theory is, THF thinks, because they have the only copy and know this information, they think they can dodge complete annialation. They think they can figure out a way to survive. And, not only that, but they're trying to manipulate how the human race is re-built. I explained this theory to Matt the Pale, and he had a question. "Wouldn't that make Hanso the good guys?" Initially, yes, that makes them the good guys. But, they've gotten out of control, and now they're trying to re-build the human race... on their terms. They're "perfecting," in their eyes what we already have now. That's why they're testing with all this stuff... trying to give the new race abilities, or maybe disabilities... so that they have more control over the people... Think about it, if someone had the key to life, wouldn't people do whatever it takes to survive? Like, say, undergoing weird tests like electromagnetism and so on? Just my theory.

6/16/2006 12:10 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Good stuff, Callie.

6/18/2006 6:15 PM  
Anonymous lost.stud said...

What I've been able to find out is that it is a Mathmatical breakdown of evolution based on genetic advances and mutations that have NATURALLY accurred in humnas/primates. This is coupled with an in-depth analysis of historical human behavior and tendendcies broken down into a patteren or ideally a cycle.

That's all I've been able to get so far on this equation. Hope this can help others.

6/22/2006 9:58 AM  
Blogger Gus Raja said...

Near the top of this page, brammers links to a PDF file supposedly explaining the equation. But that file isn't there if you click on the link. Does anyone have it?

The same reply compares the Valenzetti Equation to the Drake Equation, which is largely a multipication of fractions. My assumption here is that the larger LOST numbers, for the most part, are probably fractions, as in 4, 8, 1/5, 1/6, 2/3, and 42. The last number of the Drake Equation would be a whole number, and are the first two if you leave out the first fraction (the 2nd multiple) in the equation. Multiplying the above numbers results in a number that rounds out to 30. I'm probably way off since I see nothing here showing what the actual equation might be, but does "30" as a result mean anything to anyone.

6/24/2006 2:46 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Gus, the link didn't have any information that you can't find elsewhere.

And the number 30 doesn't mean anything to me. Where did you come up with it, exactly?

6/24/2006 5:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you google the "V" equation...someone on ebay

want copies of the anonyous user...I will mail and see what happens

6/25/2006 7:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

someone is selling the carfeully...

6/25/2006 7:34 AM  
Blogger Gus Raja said...

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6/25/2006 6:38 PM  
Blogger Gus Raja said...

I thought Hanso had all the copies. If somehow anyone got a hold of a copy, and is making only one available, we better get it. It sounds like a scam, but I don't think we can afford to take any chances.

As for how I got the number, "30," I'll explain in detail. Apparently all we really know is that it's very similar to "the Drake equation." So I took a look at this equation. It's talking about the liklihood of other planets with intelligent life, termed "civilizations," and of course is meant to yield a whole number since you can't exactly have a half-planet or anything.

As for the Velenzetti Equation, it too is said to predict a precise number of years, as in a whole number (a.k.a. an integer). So any result needs to be rounded to the nearest whole number.

The Drake Formula is as follows...

N = R* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc x L

In this case every two-character combination is a value used in the formula. "R" is a rate which can be any real number. L, likewise, can be any real number, although "ne" would have to be an integer. Meanwhile, the various "f" values are all fractions. (for further explanation of these values, go to )

My thought process includes using the given mysterious numbers that we keep encountering, those being 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42, as a data set. However, this provides us with only six values whereas the Drake formula involves seven. Since the Drake formula is merely "similar" whereas the mystery numbers are set values, it would make sense to eliminate one of the values from the formula.

Hence, we'd have an equation looking something like...

N = R* x ne x fl x fi x fc x L.

And since this equation includes three fractions, I figure that the middle numbers may actually be fractions since multiplying all the numbers straight out yields far too great of a number. So I've converted 15, 16, and 23 to 1/5, 1/6, and 2/3.

Then we just muliply the values, as in 4 x 8 x 1/5 x 1/6 x 2/3 x 42. The result is 29 13/15 which rounds up to 30.

6/25/2006 6:43 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

So the question is 30 what? Years?

If so, when did Valenzetti write his equation and what's the date 30 years from that point?

Some have theorized that the variables are more complex for the Valenzetti equation... That the numbers are part of it, but there are also other variables and the equation is more complex than the Drake equation.

6/26/2006 7:25 AM  
Blogger Gus Raja said...

Well, it would suggest 30 years from the time the equation was written, or rather utilized with this data, but that's only if all of my assumptions are correct, and chances are I'm way off on all counts. I just hoped to give us something to start with so we have some kind of an example as to what we might be looking for. At this point there's not much to back up my spec that 23 means 2/3, etc. We really need something more to go on. What's the word on that book?

6/26/2006 11:33 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

So far the search for the book has proven difficult, Gus.

How Hanso was able to buy up every single copy is beyond me... Surely there must be ONE copy out there. But on one has been able to track it down.

6/27/2006 6:44 AM  
Blogger Gus Raja said...

Looking at the Drake Equation again, I'm wondering if perhaps it's not actually "similar" to the equation, but merely "related" to the equation. I say this because the final value needed to compute the Draft equation is "L," which stands for the "expected lifetime of such a civilization."

Again we were told only that the equations are similar so I may be way off base here, but the Valenzetti equation is an equation meant to determine the remaining lifetime of our civilization. This has me thinking that you almost need that equation to determine the value for "L" in the Drake equation.

6/28/2006 3:10 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Good catch, Gus.

Any idea how Drake would have gotten that value without the Valenzetti equation?

Maybe there's a lead in there somewhere?

6/28/2006 7:21 AM  
Blogger amie said...

I’ve been thinking about the Equation and the numbers. The Equation would have to predict Armageddon, so maybe we don’t have to look at it as giving a final value (ie 30 years), but as the equation itself as the answer, with each part being the representation an event . For example= X + y+ Z
X= the population of the planet
Y= the amount of nuclear weapons on the planet
Z= the amount of lost hope

(Really only an example to give an idea). Once all the terms of the equation have reached a critical point = Armageddon.

As for the numbers : I’ve looked each and every which way. These are the « anti » Fibonacci numbers in the sense that they are the embodiment of annihilation. If the Fibonacci sequence represents the natural structure and unity of the universe (golden ratio, chaos theory, etc)- these numbers have the power to undo or destroy (which links to the « do you believe »)

And finally, if you look at the numbers as representation rather than just numbers, together they tell a story. Each number has a significance (remembering my numerology obsession of youth). Linda Goodman had a great book on this, where each number had meaning which had evolved with humanity. (ie 1= the teacher, the whole, 2= was the student kneeling before the teacher, 8= the number of karmic retribution, balance – the number through which balance would be achieved, usually NOT a lucky number, etc). Unfortunately, that’s all I remember. The recent inclusion of the hieroglyphs only reinforces my idea… But I need feedback, does this sound at all plausible?

6/28/2006 12:13 PM  
Blogger amie said...

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6/28/2006 12:13 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Hell yeah it does, Frenchie.

That's some good stuff.

6/28/2006 12:18 PM  
Blogger Gus Raja said...

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6/29/2006 5:14 AM  
Blogger Gus Raja said...

Frenchie: "...if you look at the numbers as representation rather than just numbers, together they tell a story. Each number has a significance."

You might be onto something here. In Rachel's recent interview with the Director of the Vic Institute where they're apparently running the Valenzetti Equation, he mentioned that the heiroglyphs used (see June 28 blog) are "representational."

Obviously the equation itself is much more complex than my example where I arrived at "30." They felt the need to seek out the world's foremost mathematicians along with autistic savants with unreal abilities to store and calculate data, and they're still working around the clock to arrive at the solution. Are these heiroglyphs the variables used in the Valenzetti Equation, and if so does each one have to figured out independently?

Having said this, I do think there is a one answer solution to the equation as well. I say this because we were told the equation will result in a precise number of years until the end of the world. With so little to go on, this seems to be one of our few "givens."

6/29/2006 5:23 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Keep up the exchange of ideas everyone...

With the collective brainpower here, we're sure to figure out where we need to look next.

6/29/2006 7:14 AM  
Blogger amie said...

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6/29/2006 3:27 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Frenchie, can you shoot me an email when you have a chance?

6/29/2006 7:36 PM  
Blogger amie said...

All the info I’ve been able to find about the Valenzetti equation:
- It’ an infallible mathematical algorithm for the prediction of Armageddon.
- the totality of the equation has never been brought to light, nor has his final tally for the number of years left before the human race extinguishes itself with nuclear fire.

Gus raja:
I think you are right. So we need an end result. But does it give us an end date or the number of years? And if it is a number of years, starting when? 1962/3? That would mean that the equation and its answer would only be valid in the year it was created- why work on it now?

MAYBE the equation has a countdown aspect, which resets every time X happens. For example, the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis reset the “timer”. Reminds me of virology class, where every 10-25 years the influenza virus (it’s mutation) comes up again, this has been happening since probably long before the Spanish influenza, but since, every ‘cycle’ another deadlier version of the virus resurfaces and the survival of humanity depends on our ability to contain its spread. (you can check out influenza on the web). For the virus to resurface, certain conditions need to be accounted for: the mutation rate of the virus, the possibility to transmit to man (man and birds living in closed quarters) and human immunity (vaccines). All this to say, that if the VE is looked at in this way, you could use the equation at any given time to predict the number of years left until the next major ‘crisis’.

“Are these hieroglyphs the variables used in the Valenzetti Equation, and if so does each one have to figured out independently?”

From what I’ve been able to gather: I do believe the glyphs are variables in the equation, and they are independent (as independent as things can be seeing as everything is related).
What variables do you think would be needed to create this type of calculation?

6/30/2006 10:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Alright kids...lets have some fun here...Let us assume that the crap from the other sites are true regarding the lack of stars in the sky, etc. Here is an idea for you to chew on.....the VE isn;t about the end of the world caused by OURSELVES, but by a third party force....Let me explain....take all of the HANSO "projects" and put them in the blender...what do you get? A way to live for a very long time, protected by electromagnetic forces in a dome....harvesting extra organs for survival from third world countries while increasing hygene...Let's say the equation is regarding an asteroid hitting the planet, the sun burning out or some celestial event (just a thought). Now the "evil" Hanso foundation wants to protect us from ourselves, and create a "virtual" Noah's ark to keep jumanity alive....Where does the VE come in? The date///April 8, 2015 @ 4:23:42 GMT.

From today...Update, Dec. 25, 9:47 p.m. ET: The risk of an impact by asteroid 2004 MN4 went up slightly on Saturday, Dec. 25. It is now pegged at having a 1-in -45 chance of striking the planet on April 13, 2029. That's up from 1-in-63 late on Dec. 24, and 1-in-300 early on Dec. 24.

Astronomers still stress that it is very likely the risk will be reduced to zero with further observations. And even as it stands with present knowledge, the chances are 97.8 percent the rock will miss Earth.

Take the hieroglyphics...and then READ THIS

Hmm..Atlantis...Egypt...Vanlenzetti....You decide

6/30/2006 9:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We measure right ascension in hours, minutes and seconds. RA starts at 0h00m00s then goes clockwise around the north celestial pole until we come to 23h59m59s just before where we started. Thus there are 24 hours of right ascension. Declination is measured in degrees ( ° ), arcminutes ( ' ), and arcseconds ( " ). The declination of the celestial equator (right above the Earth's equator) is 0°00'00" (0 degrees), the declination of the north celestial pole is 90° and the declination of the south celestial pole is -90°. From this system we can give the coordinates for any object in the sky. For example, the coordinates for Rigel, a bright star in the constellation Orion, are RA 05h14m30s, Dec -08°12'06".

More intersting stuff...Is it a date or are they coordiantes that predict the LOCATION of our impending doom

6/30/2006 9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6/30/2006 9:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6/30/2006 9:13 PM  
Blogger Gus Raja said...

Frenchie: "From what I’ve been able to gather: I do believe the glyphs are variables in the equation, and they are independent (as independent as things can be seeing as everything is related).
What variables do you think would be needed to create this type of calculation?"

Good question. Perhaps they have to do with the various possibilities that could end life on earth. For instance, our anonymous friend here brought up a 1-in-63 chance that we'll be hit by an asteroid on April 13, 2029. The possibility of a life-ending celestial event may be represented by one of the glyphs. The possibility of Armegeddon or World War III wiping out life may be represented by another glyph. Disease (bird flue, plague, pestilence) is probably a third.
And so forth.

The equation is apparently something that's being run 24-7 in the minds of these special savants. Only a few persons died in the fire, and these savants don't rely on any special technology to keep it up. They may have a few savants working on each possibility constantly factoring in new information as they're told.

As you factor in each possibility you're sure to run into a "likely date" when it's most likely to be the extinction-level event. Assuming you have five primary possibilities that could end life, then the most recent date yielded among the five would then become the overall answer.

Keep in mind I'm merely brain storming here.

7/01/2006 10:48 PM  
Blogger Gus Raja said...

I should ammend that to read: "the most recent date with a high probability factor."

7/01/2006 10:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


like the idea...

could we be talking about a "four horseman" secnario where each og the glyhs is "facor" and one hold the key? Good thought process. I think the equation is more mathematical than pictoral though. The question is this...did the ancient egyptians DETERMINE the equation already and Valenzetti figured out what they were. An example, The Incans with their ability to tell time, Stonehendge...etc. In other words, did the Egyptians ALREADY have the equation (see last post), utilize the formula and then LOSE the translation that Valenzetti found? Hmmmm. Can anyone say the Rosetta Stone? THAT is what we are looking for (I fear literally and figuratively). Find the Rosetta, find the equation, find the truth.

PS, I don't like signing up for anything...the name is Tim.

7/02/2006 12:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a thought or two....Has anyone put together yet the fact that the mandrake guys pictures all reflect his obsession with the color blue? Hmmm...the VE book is blue. Also, the funky picture of the waterfall turned sideways DOES look like the cover of the "book"...

...also remember EBAY....someone is actually now ANSWERING questions...and eagerly I might add. ....

Still don;t feel right about the wikipedia removal and the term astroturfing....feels funny...

7/02/2006 5:54 PM  
Blogger amie said...

OK, so here is a tentative list of variables this type of equation would need :

« act of God » (for lack of better title)= celestial event (meteor), mother nature (tsunami, volcanic eruption)

Health issues = disease ( viruses), lack of fresh water, lack of food (contamination), sterility, pollution, madness (mental health)

War = nuclear, biochemical, random global hysteria (ie Y2K) (I’ll add on manmade accidents like Chernobyl)

This is a tentative first draft of ideas. What other events could precipitate the end of humanity? Once we’ve identified a list of variables, we can then maybe try to come up with how to calculate/predict the variables involved in each – hence building our own VE from the ground up. And I agree that any one of these events would put an end to humanity.

As an aside, I still feel as though something is missing, because in my heart of hearts (perhaps too many Hollywood movies)- man will always win out in the end. Is it something more cosmic? Predetermined? Written in the stars?

What a piece of work is man! How noble in reason! how infinite in faculties! in form and moving, how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension, how like a god! the beauty of the world! the paragon of animals!
--From Hamlet (II, ii, 115-117)

7/03/2006 5:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off of EBAY....

My Statement: I can get my hands on the original and copies...please advise...

Response: I would prefer the original but would be most thankful for the manuscript if that is all that is available. Please advise how I may obtain it. And many thanks for making this effor

...and the plot thickens some more

7/05/2006 6:15 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Hey Anonymous, are you the one responding to this ebay thing?

7/05/2006 7:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes, I am Vex...For the love of God, please tell me that YOU are not the BUYER! If you are...Oh boy!


7/05/2006 3:10 PM  
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7/05/2006 3:10 PM  
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7/05/2006 3:10 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Dude, Tim.

You're the one who responded that you have a contact in Copenhagen that can get a hold of it?

And that you had a copy?

7/05/2006 6:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes. Is somthing wrong? Just trying to get some answers. Wanted to see if A.) someone is not pulling our collective chain b.) The book is "real" and not some "irrelevant" part of the game (mystery solved) and c.)whether this COULD be a "live" site to share with the group.

Vex...if I have done something "wrong" please let me know. Just looking for the truth.


7/06/2006 5:19 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...


The ebay "wantitnow" request was someone asking FOR anyone who had a copy of the Valenzetti Equation.

Why would you respond saying YOU had a copy of it? That doesn't make any sense. You don't have a copy of it, right?

7/06/2006 6:37 AM  
Blogger amyrice said...

hi, i read somewhere the valenzetti equation said the word would end on February 26, 2009 at 1:39 Am not too sure where i got this from as it was a while ago but it definatly came from someone!

2/22/2009 6:41 AM  
Blogger Bradyn Rottler said...

nobody gets on here anymore? I read this and did some research and found it fascinating. If anyone is still concerned with this issue, get back on sometime.

5/05/2016 12:07 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

23 is rhe number of human genes. Seems like an obvious meaning for that oart of the equation?

8/16/2016 12:34 AM  
Blogger Aaronymous said...

So...are people trying to find the exact date of human extinction the equation predicted? Because that would basically be
December 31st, 2342

4+8 = 12
15+16 =31
23&42 are basically linked to form the year.

12-31-2342: New Years Eve of 2342

If that's not what we are talking about, then can someone please explain to me what exactly is trying to be found xD.

7/07/2017 3:19 AM  

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