Saturday, June 10, 2006

A Call to ACTION

Acclaimed author, Gary Troup, published a book called "The Valenzetti Equation". The Hanso Foundation bought up all the copies and the rights to any further publications.

Someone, somewhere, has to have a copy of this book. The publisher, Hyperion, surely must have a copy in their archives but they are not permitted to release it or face legal action from the Hanso Foundation.

How does the public get their hands on a copy? Who's interested in finding out more about this mystery? Why would someone go to such great lengths to keep something like this a secret?

It's time to coordinate efforts, share information, and get to the bottom of this. Who's with me?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I fully support Vexingmodstwo in his effort to get public access to the Valenzetti Equation. I've taken several steps to find both the equation itself and Gary Troup's out-of-print book about it including writing to Hyperion Books, searching eBay and writing an ask note for it. I wrote to the Princeton Library and asked for a search for the book or manuscript and have searched bookstores including the famous Strand Books in NYC. I'll post other attempts later. I believe we are closer to it than some might imagine.

6/10/2006 9:49 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Excellent! Please do keep us informed of any leads you develop.

Great work!

6/10/2006 10:02 AM  
Blogger katamarmom said...

vexingmodstwo - great job!

6/10/2006 10:11 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

vexingmodstwo - Getting Valenzetti's research will be a boon to every major research institute in the world! I'll try to enlist the aid of some professors.

6/10/2006 10:14 AM  
Blogger maven said...

I have been searching, too. I tried all the used book and out-of-print book shops I could find on the net, but noone has ever heard of it. There doesn't seem to be one anywhere. But I stronly believe, that eventually, someone will come forward with the only remaining copy not bought up by THF.

6/10/2006 10:18 AM  
Anonymous MisterFrosty said...

Dear vex,

Any and all help I can offer in this endeavour is at your disposal.

I find the suppression of valuable scientific research is deplorable and should be fought with un-ending vigor.

I am also against the tyranny of big business and their free wheeling approach to hoarding knowledge meant for the greater world population.

Please contact me if you require assistance.

6/10/2006 10:18 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

vexingmodstwo - that is an awsome idea maybe doing this will force someone to hand it over

6/10/2006 10:19 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

ok so its not on any internet site so why is there a picture of it on
there cant have been only one copy of it. Any professional writer would make a copy of there work, wouldn't they?

6/10/2006 10:21 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

This great folks!

Please keep us updated on anything you find...

Also, don't be discouraged if you don't get replies right way on this blog. Think of it as a place for serious researchers to update other seriuos researchers about what they've found.

6/10/2006 10:25 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

brammers, one would think that... it's only logical.

6/10/2006 10:31 AM  
Blogger maven said...

Anybody have any ideas about how we might be able to track down a copy of the book or the Equation itself?

6/10/2006 10:32 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

maven1908: I believe his editor or agent might have a copy of the original manuscript. We'll know something soon.

6/10/2006 10:34 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

ok found a 2 page pdf file on the equation and its creator dont know if its important...

6/10/2006 10:36 AM  
Blogger Damn the Man said...

I'd love to help find the Valenzetti Equation and Gary Troup's out-of-print book with the same name.

Let me know what needs to be done.

Damn the man,
Kyle Michaud.

6/10/2006 10:37 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Mr. Frosty...

How do I contact you?

6/10/2006 10:37 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

ok that pdf file i found...

said the equation is like an equation called the Drake Equation maybe we should research that a bit

6/10/2006 10:52 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

Enzo Valenzetti studied at Fibonacci State Institute of Advanced Sciences just a new lead we could research

6/10/2006 10:53 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

how stange... i have also found that Enzo Valenzetti died in a plane crash...
just like Gary Troup

6/10/2006 10:55 AM  
Blogger maven said...

I tried searching the UN archives since it was mentioned that the Equation came about after the Cuban Missile Crisis and was commissioned by the UN Security Council. I got nowhere.

Matt: How do we find Gary Troup's agent?

6/10/2006 10:56 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

this is the wiki article on the drake equation. Not very interesting

6/10/2006 11:02 AM  
Blogger SRJanit0r said...

I'm souring the backdoor to the underground for stolen and aquired copies of the Valenzetti Equation and have inquired with several on-line underground p2p organizations that deal specifically with "retrieving" data/info from secure locations and institutions. These organizations have been instrumental in "data smuggling" private medical research and banned manuscripts out of Asia and the Middle East. I don't offically belong to any of these organizations but have contacts with in. 2 of the 3 have responded that they will excercise their resources into identifying and aquiring copies if at all possible. I'll keep you up to date of any progress made here and at tlec. Nice work matt_the_pale at bringing this site to the community.

We must demand Hanso heads on a platter!

Aaron aka SRJanit0r

6/10/2006 11:03 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Hey all, make sure you check the main page occasionally and don't just hang out in the comments section of one post.

Just an FYI

6/10/2006 11:03 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

SRJanit0r, isnt that just a bit illegal?

6/10/2006 11:05 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...




6/10/2006 11:06 AM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...


Perhaps we could ask Hyperion books?

6/10/2006 11:11 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

i wonder who that anonymous comment was from

6/10/2006 11:13 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Okay, I'm off for a bit... Please don't stop the discussions.

Contact me (via my profile) if you have any interesting ideas for topics / posts.

And Brammers, I know who it was from... It wasn't me, but it's a reliable source.

6/10/2006 11:16 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

thats good to hear, Vexingmodstwo, at least he/she wont leave rubbish comments that don't help (kind of like this one) HAHAHA

6/10/2006 11:18 AM  
Blogger SRJanit0r said...

It is an ethical question I agree. However, what is MORE illegal? keeping documents that belong to mankind locked up behind a wall, kept for only the privledged to see or seeking out the information and returning it to it's rightful owners...the people? I realize I'm in gray area for a lot of people. If it makes the community uncomfortable I will of course not post about my efforts and results. I certainly want to keep this fun!


6/10/2006 11:19 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Okay, now I'm REALLY going...

But Aaron... Please proceed with your efforts. They are appreciated. I guarantee it.

6/10/2006 11:21 AM  
Blogger brammers said...

doesnt make uncomforatble, aaron, im sure i speak for everone when i say PLEASE SHARE YOUR FINDINGS AND RESULTS WITH US!! we just dont want to see you get in trouble with the law :)

6/10/2006 11:21 AM  
Blogger maven said...

I just e-mailed Hypersion Books saying I had urgent information for the late Gary Troup's agent. I asked them for his/her's info.

6/10/2006 11:28 AM  
Blogger maven said...

These blogs need spell check!

6/10/2006 11:29 AM  
Anonymous Brian said...

Here to help in any way!

6/10/2006 11:54 AM  
Blogger Tresbien said...

I was in a hurry this morning and didn't set up an account but wanted to show my support for vexingmodstwo. I should have added my name at the end. Glad to see others voicing their opinions about this.

6/10/2006 12:50 PM  
Blogger devondude said...

Hi all,

Have just introduced myself on the main site as I am a noob. Re the place where Valenzetti studied, wasn't Fibonacci the dude with the number sequence in the Da Vinci Code?

6/10/2006 12:50 PM  
Blogger maven said...

I just e-mailed Touchstone Television. They have the 2006 copyright on "Bad Twin". I asked for Gary Troup's agent. We'll see what happens!

6/10/2006 1:02 PM  
Blogger amie said...

Great ideas !
In trying to find real world correlation with the Valenzetti, so far this is all that I’ve come up with:

1) Along the more biblical lines of the Armageddon Equation : deals with how the gap between our morality (ethics) and technology could lead to Armageddon:

2) This one is less fun (actually boring for me), but may interest some:

This is on the Drake equation, more interesting than wiki, but do we really want to go in the ET direction?
The info we have on Valenzetti implies that it is similar to Drake/Sagan. But there is a problem: Drake is about predicting alien life, and Valenzetti’s is about predicting Armageddon – so where do we go from there?

Fibonacci sequence may be of interest in terms of the work of THF. The Fibonacci sequence is the sequence 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, ... generated by the rule f1 = f2 = 1 , fn+1 = fn + fn-1. It was introduced by Fibonacci of Pisa in Liber abaci in a problem involving the growth of a population of rabbits.
Other things that may be of interest include the Golden ratio and Phi.
And finally, this could be totally unrelated, but it is about deuterium. I read somewhere that the amount of naturally occurring deuterium in the atmosphere lends support to the Big Bang theory. And if you deuterium and Drake equation some titles come up.
So if we are looking for an equation to predict the end of the universe, which perspective do we take?
1) that mankind will provoke the end through its own technology and/or population growth
2) the end of the world provoked by extraterrestrial phenomena
3) or both?
Any and all thoughts are welcome.

6/10/2006 1:52 PM  
Blogger Matt the Pale said...

frenchie -- Hello, please keep in mind that this forum is for people who want the Hanso Foundation to release Valenzetti-related materials.

Second, please refer to for information on Valenzetti and the equation.

"With their respective nations having just faced the
very precipice of mutually-assured destruction, the United States and Soviet Union - under
the auspices of the Security Council - secretly sought Valenzetti out as a disinterested
third party and charged him with the creation of an infallible mathematical algorithm for
the prediction of Armageddon.

Less than a year later, Valenzetti returned with his eponymous equation - which, reportedly,
is not unlike the Drake Equation (sometimes mistakenly referred to as the "Sagan Equation"),
but far greater in complexity. Because of the conditions of secrecy under which
Valenzetti produced his work, the totality of the equation has never been brought to light,
nor has his final tally for the number of years left before the human race extinguishes
itself with nuclear fire."

6/10/2006 1:59 PM  
Blogger devondude said...

Hi guys,
Have been thinking about the Fibonacci sequence. Yeah the lost numbers themselves aren't an example so no go there. I did some digging and found this out (not being a mathematician!)

The Fibinacci sequence has a dependant relationship upon Phi ot the golden ratio. Can't believe how much this golden ratio relates too. The site I checked even included the Parthenon in Greece as an examp-le of Phi in architecture (re Parthenogenisis?) It also relates to pentagrams and is considered to be the perfect balacnce between symmetry and asymmetry (yin yang dharma logo thread?) Am I clutching here or could there be something in this? Check out the following link (wikipedia again, hasn't the game relied on this before?) oh and sorry don't know how to put in links!

let me know what you think

6/10/2006 2:07 PM  
Blogger amie said...

Oops. sorry MtP.

6/10/2006 2:08 PM  
Blogger Jeni Buechel said...

The only "person" we know of who has professed to be a "Valenzetti guru" (stated May 9) is Speaker at ITE. Don't you think we could put some pressure on him to divulge any infomation he may have? Maybe he has a secreted copy of Gary Troups book or knows where one can be found. He apparently has some information that we have not been able to find if he is the guru he said he was...

6/10/2006 2:39 PM  
Blogger amie said...

ok, here is an idea to get a response
1) 'publish' an article with 'scholars' disproving/discrediting Valenzetti's Equation OR
2) ‘publish’ an article claiming to have discovered the true Valenzetti equation

I’m sure we could create enough hype about either to get a response.

6/10/2006 3:59 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

frenchie, you'll need to 'find' that kind of stuff.


6/10/2006 4:12 PM  
Blogger maven said...

What if we try to contact/e-mail some "famous" mathemeticians and ask if they know anything about the Valenzetti Equation. They'll either think we're nuts or give us a lead!

6/10/2006 9:16 PM  
Blogger SRJanit0r said...

FYI. I have just finished an online meeting with 2 of the 3 owners/admins of PDA (public data access). They have read through this blog and visited several of the ingame sites. They have promised dedicated people to digital aquiry and real time access to any documents regarding the Valenzetti Equation. They now believe as we do, that a great injustice is being done. One of these admins is responsible for helping dissedent factions within The People's Republic of China, leek documents regarding human rights violations and ilegal and in=humane medical experiments on it's human beings. Move over Joop! These guys can get into anything anywhere. I'll be interested to see what turns up.

Aaron aka SRJanit0r

6/10/2006 9:27 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

Maven... sounds like you've volunteered? ;-)

Aaron... sounds PROMISING. Please keep us abreast of their findings.

6/10/2006 9:33 PM  
Blogger brammers said...

if you are familiar with then you might know i have e-mailed djdan on info on the hanso foundation but i also asked him for info on the valenzetti equation i'll check back here aswell if i get a reply. I will also post something on my blog

6/11/2006 6:58 AM  
Blogger TempLogin said...

Some good ideas. I especially like the one about creating an anti-Valenzetti website that might draw some comments / attention from Hanso.
Also, we might threaten Hanso, saying that we intend to write a book on Valenzetti's work and that we intend to file a Freedom of Information Act request for all information on Valenzetti retained by US government agencies. If Hanso wants to keep V. quiet, they might be cornered into releasing at least some information, and we might find ourselves in a bargaining situation in which we could request a copy of Troup's book. This idea seems a little flimsy - can anyone think of a way to beef up the threat?

6/11/2006 3:46 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

I was looking at the picture of the cover of the book... (it's on the main page of this blog).

Does anyone have access to steganography (is that the right spelling?) software?

There seems to be some equation type stuff that is fuzzy and I was thinking that maybe there's information embedded in the file.

SAFE G might be the "key" to open it?

6/11/2006 8:06 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

misterfrosty, please go to my contact page and email me. I would like to ask you something.

6/11/2006 9:25 PM  
Blogger harcar2001 said...

doesn't anyone find it strange that Gary Troup doesn't have a copy of the book that he himself wrote???

6/15/2006 12:50 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

An excellent observation... harcar.

What's up with that?

6/15/2006 2:21 PM  
Anonymous lost.stud said...

I have a degree in both English and Mathmatics. I also have some connections into the world of acadamia. I have sent out some requests to people to see if they have heard of the Valenzetti equation, Gary Troupe or the math behind this all. I will let you know what turns up.

6/15/2006 6:10 PM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...


That is awesome. Please keep us informed of what you can turn up.

6/15/2006 8:20 PM  
Anonymous Lauren said...

I don't having significant to add. just want you to know I believe. The Valenzetti equation is of huge importance to be found.

6/16/2006 7:41 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...

We do too, Lauren... We do too.

Write Hugh an email. Let's force Hanso to respond.

6/16/2006 8:56 AM  
Anonymous lost.stud said...

Vex & Mat, let me know if this might belong somewhere else.

I have done some brain storming with my old professor this morning. I caught him up on the Valenzetti equation last night and he was quite intrigued. Being an egomanic as well as a physics and theology professor, anything intertwining humanity and science is right up his ally and he wants to figure this out too.

We postulated that any equation that can predict when humanity will end (of its own demise) would fundementally have one problem. That is Humanity itself has to be a variable. In order for any variable in any equation to work correctly, it must be predictable and yeild the same result after repeated testing. Humanity cannot be relied upon like that. That is unless we can control Humanity, and thus, control that variable.

This is where Dharma and Hanso become of interest. They are working with genetic engineering, mind control and mind reading. All of these would limit the unpredictable variable of Humanity and make it reliable. If all varibales in the equation are static (unchanging, meaning X always represents the same value) than creating an equation to find an end date to humanity is less of an impossability.

My Professor is working on what other variables might be needed to figure out this equation, but I thought tidbit of info would interest everyone.

6/16/2006 10:30 AM  
Blogger vexingmodstwo said...


Please email me. You and I have to talk.

6/16/2006 11:38 AM  
Anonymous Lauren said...

This was left in my comments at my profile:*sigh* Valenzetti Equation is the rub, isn't it. I talked to Gary Troup two weeks before he boarded Oceanic flight 115, and he said a group that he back tracked to Alvar Hanslo himself bought all the rights one week before the book went to publishing. Hanslo then never released th book for sale. Gary doesn't even have a copy of the book in published form. HAHA, Hanso was so paranoid that he wanted to find the photographer who took the picture of the book!

6/20/2006 8:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"harcar2001 said...
doesn't anyone find it strange that Gary Troup doesn't have a copy of the book that he himself wrote???

6/15/2006 12:50 PM"

Gary Troup is no longer available but someone should check his home. I'm a published author. I have copies of my books on my desktop computer, my laptop, backed up on CDs at home and in a safe place away from home. I have printouts in my office. I've given copies to fellow writers to read over before I submit them to the publisher. The publisher sent Advance Review Copies (ARCs) to me and to a whole bunch of periodicals before the book came out. They sent me a case of 24 when the book was ready for distribution. Somebody other than Hanso has to have a copy of Troup's book.

Barbara J. Ferrenz
Author, Worse Than Death

7/01/2006 1:10 PM  

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